question about using gray water for gardens

topic posted Thu, September 13, 2007 - 12:09 PM by  Hexkitten
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I took a course over the weekend on eco-building and sustainable architecture, and something the instructor told us has me puzzled.

In regard to using gray water from the household to irrigate the gardens, he said that plants love detergent and it actually makes them grow prolifically. I don't know enough about chemistry or botany to know if this is true, but if it is, how would that affect the organic nature of the garden? especially if the plants are used for foods or medicine.

Anyone have experience with this?
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Hexkitten
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  • Re: question about using gray water for gardens

    Thu, September 13, 2007 - 12:27 PM
    several years ago i used to catch a show on pbs (in the days when i 'did' tv)... a gentleman with all sorts of wonderful advice of using everyday things to take care of all the requirements of lawns, gardens, trees, etc.

    many of the homemade 'concoctions' included ordinary dish-type clear liquid soaps. using the more basic and simpler 'organic' soaps was also recommended. simple soaps contain things that ward of pests and their eggs, molds and fungus, etc., leading to healthier plants. and it has been my experience that spritzing with soapy water is one of the only simple ways to control aphids, when the ladybugs are scarce.

    there is nothing in simple soaps used with prudence in the garden that would in anyway harm the harvests. just be sure "detergent" is plain.
  • Re: question about using gray water for gardens

    Thu, September 13, 2007 - 2:24 PM
    Generally, detergents contain large amounts of phosphates and some nitrates. Those are also what are commonly attributed to algae blooms due to runoff of fertilizers and waste products. So yes, it should seriously help plant growth. That said, if you're using organic detergents, the resulting gray water would be organic as well. If not, then it's not.
    • Re: question about using gray water for gardens

      Thu, September 13, 2007 - 6:21 PM
      Phosphorus is an essential plant nutrient. It became problematic in the 50's and 60's when widely used in detergents.

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      Natural fresh surface water undergoes an aging
      process called eutrophication (eutrophic: from
      Greek and German meaning wellfed).The process
      is associated with increased aquatic plant and
      algae growth, high nutrient content, a reduction
      in water clarity, and decreased dissolved oxygen
      content. Increased biological activity ultimately
      results in sedimentation as dead and decaying
      plant debris sinks and accumulates on the bottom
      of the lake or pond. In essence,surface water is
      transformed into a bog. Excessive inputs of P
      accelerate the eutrophication process of lakes.
      By the end of the 1960s, a serious decline in
      water quality was documented for many major
      bodies of surface water, especially water adjacent
      to heavily populated areas of the eastern United
      States.

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      http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:rIikvefe8I4J:turf.lib.msu.edu/2000s/2005/050701.pdf+phosphorous+soap+and+plants&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us&client=firefox-a


      I don't really know how phosphorus in soap could be organic, but I think it's a matter of why you are concerned about it being so. If your concern is primarily health and safety, then I would much more concerned about other chemicals in commercial soaps and take advantage of the benefits of any phosphorus present. If it's a certification issue (wanting to be certifies to sell organic produce) I have no idea what the official stance would be. Though I would be very interested in hearing if anyone knows.

      Here's a pretty good article that includes info on choosing greywater-compatible soaps and detergents:

      www.harvestingrainwater.com/grey...ents/
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    Re: question about using gray water for gardens

    Fri, September 14, 2007 - 6:16 PM
    This has been said so you may disregard. Do be sure that the gray water is free of toxins, (and pipes,/surfaces that could have them) plants will absorb the medium they are put into, so if the gray water has any systematic pollution of any kind watch out ( I'm thinking, you know old bath tubs with some type of nasty paint on them etc). You would be eating these pollutants in small doses. I don't mean to scare you off from using gray water, sounds like a great idea, just be sure of your source.

    -e-
    • Re: question about using gray water for gardens

      Sat, September 15, 2007 - 1:51 PM
      good point... if you use a disgusting bucket to collect your gray water such as the same one you used to clean your floors or windows, or such... get a nice new one.....
      ...im glad i saw this post... i was going to ask about it on another tribe... good to know stuff...

      ....json
  • Re: question about using gray water for gardens

    Thu, September 20, 2007 - 1:42 PM
    my understanding is that grey water should not be used on edible plants but is excellent for ornamentals and landscape irrigation.
    Biodegradable soaps and detergents should used around the house anyway and these shouldn't have a negative effect at all.
    Again, however, it is my understanding that food crops should not be watered w/ grey water.
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      Re: question about using gray water for gardens

      Sat, September 22, 2007 - 2:41 PM
      a good question....lived in missoula, mt for a time....EkoCompost, a local company, makes compost w/ the city's sewage sludge...seen em spread out the tampon, condom infested blob myself....helluvan operation though....underground ventilation, leechate recirculation, monitoring wells.....would i use it in my garden roflmao....certain plants are very good at taking up certain nasties (corn and mercury)....dont care how hot you cook the compost...may kill pathogens but heavy metals, persistent bioaccumulative organic compounds, hormones, birthcontrol pills, so on so forth....no thank you....very seperate flower garden...sure...just might not want to work it or walk in it w/ bare skin....some things like lead can soak through pores....dilution is the solution to pollution lol....anyone got better ideas, i'm all ears....many rivers demand we do something yesterday....think how many toilets flush into the Gulf of Mexico every day.....

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