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i have way too many oak leaves piled up. i know they're acidic and take forever to decompose. any organic way to speed up the decomp?
many just pines and oaks around me. also i assume these are good for the blueberry's and any thing else that likes acid
many just pines and oaks around me. also i assume these are good for the blueberry's and any thing else that likes acid
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 4:48 PMshredding them helps. We made a separate pile of the oak leaves last year and put it in a place where we'd all walk on them. By spring they were ready to mulch the blueberries. Its probably easier if you run over them with the lawn mower.
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 6:44 AMMix as much green stuff with them as you can . I mix any usable refuse from the kitchen as I can....coffee grounds , egg shells , green residue ...
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 8:14 AMYour right about them being acidic, and good for around acid loving plants. They can be a good way to prep the beds for planting, spread them on thick, then cover with cardboard, hold down with rocks, and come spring, till in the leaves and rotten cardboard and the bed will be excellent for tomatoes and such.
Also the advice on mixing them with other stuff to speed them up is good. -
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Sun, November 25, 2007 - 5:19 PMGrind them up and add green stuff are both very good ideas. They need more nitrogen to compost quicker.
Peeing on the pile, or adding urine is an excellent way to up the nitrogen content. I guess it helps to be very rural when using this technique. -
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Mon, November 26, 2007 - 9:28 AMAbsolutely Wil, or just piss in a bucket while in the house and then take it out and dump it on the leaves if you have to worry about being seen.
I do that for repelling rabbits too. -
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Wed, November 28, 2007 - 8:14 AMthanks, i am out in the counrty so I'll "pee" away. i can add green, but i am talking about over a dozen old growth, large oaks, this is a huge amount. as far as shreading goes, i did use a freinds shreader a couple of years ago, didn't work out, possiably just the machine I used.
and then there is the fuel consumption of the machine..trying to avoid that if possiable. i do spread them out over what little planting areas i have, then rake up leftover the next spring and relocate them
i do have a large composite pile already that i add a some too, still if I clear the leaves, just from the yard area, not counting what i leave in the wooded area to composite itself, i guess it's a little less then an acre of land i am trying to deal with. front yard alone is a 20 plus ft long 10 ft wide three foot tall area. unfortunately i don't have other leaf varieties to add to the composite area, just my vegitation from leftovers and grass cutting i usually don't collect, but next year i think i will.
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Wed, November 28, 2007 - 11:34 AMHmm, with that much material you might consider other approaches like putting them in a large stock tank and letting a lot of rainwater run through them to help disperse the acid.
The side benefit is you can tan leather in the water if let it soak a while and get real dark. :-) -
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Wed, November 28, 2007 - 12:56 PMI have a similar problem, actually, with lots of oak leaves and not much else and, in my case, very poor soil. I figured that a moderate amount of limestone is all that's needed to adjust the ph, and looking for this found the following, the link at the end of the article brings up a lot of excellent info on compost making, i think the best site on the subject i've yet found:
Autumn Is The Best Time For Successful Compost Piles
BY JAMES ELLISON
Early autumn is the best season for successful composting piles. To start, here are some points on how to build a compost pile:
* lay sheets of plastic on the ground.
* place a 6-inch layer of leaves or grass clippings on the plastic.
* shovel a 1-inch layer of beneficial garden loam over the leaves.
* exchange on a regular basis some loam and leaves.
* the pile needs to be at least 3 feet by 3-feet and 4 feet tall.
Here are some ways to accelerate the composting process:
* supply organic material.
* shred leaves into much smaller pieces.
* dampen the dry leaves.
* add ground up limestone to reduce acidity of the oak leaves.
* add fertilizer, like cow manure.
* position the pile in the shade to retain moisture.
* construct the pile with a lower center and high sides to hold moisture.
* try turning the pile monthly, this is not mandatory.
Want a soil enhancing, inexpensive, organic-rich material that's a breeze to produce? Use compost.
It's uncomplicated, we use some simple basics and Mother Nature does most all the work. And remember that when we read ads persuading us to buy this or that composting gadget or ingredient, the ad may be mostly donkey droppings. But, looking on the brighter side, even donkey droppings can be composted.
If expensive ingredients or gadgets aren't basic ingredients of a compost pile, what is? Microbes are, naturally. Composting germs are those miracle workers that recycle organic material into humus. All we need to do to make compost is to keep our microbial buddies content. Insects, worms and centipedes may also be active in the compost process.
Since bacteria are one-celled, much of their biological process takes place in the liquid surrounding them. They release digestive enzymes into this media, then soak up simple molecules as food as they become available in the liquid. Thus, somewhat moist composting conditions are necessary so bacteria can reprocess the organic material in the piles into compost.
But surplus water isn't good. With extremely wet circumstances too little air spreads through the pile.
This causes less efficient, odor producing microbe species to multiply. Fairly warm, up to 150 degree interiors, speeds composting and heat is developed by the composting process.
Autumn is a great time to start a compost pile, as we have plenty of fallen leaves to rake, and these can be our pile's origin. However, grass clippings can be helpful through spring and summer. In addition, any healthy garden materials and even biodegradable vegetable matter from our homes is future compost.
We start building a compost pile by placing sheets of plastic on the ground. These will discourage roots of surrounding trees and shrubs from invading our pile. Yet, if there are no nearby trees and shrubs you may want to cut this step.
We begin the actual pile by placing a 6-inch layer of leaves or grass clippings in the pile. Next, place a 1-inch layer of good garden loam over the leaves. Loam contributes beneficial microbes to our pile, and these microbes are living to do our composting. Blanket this loam with another 6-inch leaf layer, followed by another inch of loam. Continue to alternate leaves and loam. This is all that needs to be done, we'll have compost.
Jim's articles are from extensive research on each of his topics. You can learn more of organic materials by visiting: www.basic-info-4-organic-fertilizers.com/compost.ht -
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Wed, November 28, 2007 - 2:07 PMthanks, both good ideas, the tank is somethiing i'd have to run across, cost wise.
interesting link and info, thanks wil
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Sun, December 9, 2007 - 5:19 PMI collect all the leaves from my neighbors in the fall, and many are oak and have pine needles mixed in. I pile them in my tomato wire towers(5' tall ones made of remesh wire) for the winter, there they compress and get nice and wet all winter. In the spring I take out the leaves, which are usually not composted, but stuck together in wet cakes, and spread them in my walkways. I have slightly raised beds, so I fill the walking area with the leave cakes. I walk on them all summer, they keep the weeds down, and the worms go crazy dragging them into the ground. By fall they are all broken down or dispersed. What's left of them I rake onto the beds for winter. One drawback is they can harbor slugs in the summer if they stay moist enough, but we all have our own ways of dealing with the slugs!
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Sun, December 9, 2007 - 5:39 PMWe pile them in the chicken pen . The hens love to scratch through them and in a few weeks they are composted . I started in the early spring and removed them today . I had from 4 to 8 inches of loam to spread in the garden .
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Sun, December 9, 2007 - 6:49 PMfresh comfrey leaves added into your pile with accelerate the process. since comfrey dies back in winter, it is perfect timing to do a clean up of the comfrey patch and add all the leaves to the composting oak leaf pile.
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Tue, December 11, 2007 - 5:13 AMMy girlfriend's dad is an old school Appalachian farmer. He started using leave compost on his garden years ago, though his methods are not entirely perfect. First off he hoards all the leaves he can find, even driving down the mountain to collect leaves off of city streets. He pokes small holes in the bags and leaves them to soak up rain water. Because of the black color the bags heat up and this acts to speed up the decomposition. He personally saw no reason to do more than turn the bags and their contents in to the soil the following spring.
I only follow him this far ,because I do not want a million shredded pieces of plastic in the soil like he has! We dump the bags out and reuse them and get much the same effect that he does, they get tears and holes just being handled but are still usable.I mix chicken refuse, mulch and grass clippings with the lot and and stir it well before tilling it in. It is difficult on the Eastern seaboard to maintain the proper PH without adding costly base materials such as lime. We get alot of acid rain and grow in an old abused hay field, victim of 200 plus years of poor land use practises. Still, we have done very well. -
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Thu, December 27, 2007 - 6:07 AMthanks for all the input. I ended up raking most of the leaves to a low spot in the yard that is next to a spring feed stream, usually has some water, but is at the bottom of sloops on either side. This way most of the rain water should help filter the decomposing of the leaves.
I already had a strong layer over the garden area
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Mon, January 28, 2008 - 4:27 PMpile them in your garden and run over them with a lawn mower to shred them -
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Re: decomp oak leaves
Sat, November 12, 2011 - 7:53 PMGreat stuff here--although I'm way late to the party! :) Anyway, I have about 4 acres of oak trees and there's no way I can get a mower on that hilly, rocky land. But I'm considering raking (or blowing) them into big piles and seeing if they'll compost that way, instead of all over the forest floor. I'm hoping that eventually I'll have several small piles of nice dirt. We'll see how it works. May take a couple years, but it may be worth it. (the raking should be good exercise!) -
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Mon, November 14, 2011 - 3:17 AM10 years ago I lived on an acre of land with several Oak trees and a Pine. I had a compost pile I would put the leaves and needles in along with cut grass, because we had a lawn in front, too. I'd turn it every so often and it composted nicely. If you have cut grass to add to the Oak leaves they will decompose. -
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Mon, November 14, 2011 - 3:30 PMTo make the oak leaf compost more alkaline, since it is so acidic, I'd also add lime to the compost pile. I believe this helped the leaves decompose more quickly, too. I didn't cut up my oak leaves at all. Mixing them with the pine needles stopped them from caking together in lumps.
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