Soil Amendment

topic posted Sat, April 4, 2009 - 6:22 PM by  yadda yadda
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I've finally conceeded defeat, I can't win against the Bermuda Grass. So I'm taking the advice of a good friend and I'm putting in new raised beds with a weed barrier underneath. I have a good source of clean topsoil but I'm sure its pretty dead.
I have compost, organic humus and composted manure set aside for this project. What other things can I add to the beds to bring them to life?
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yadda yadda
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  • Re: Soil Amendment

    Sun, April 5, 2009 - 8:49 AM
    The biggest concern I would have is the Bermuda. It is so invasive that even a small pinhole in your barrier will allow it to invade. So make sure you really get an sealed barrier, especially if the Bermuda is under your raised bed. The problem of course is that if you seal your bottom so well that Bermuda is kept out then you have no drainage. You could solve this with some type of drainage pipe that allows the moisture to drain from your raised bed some distance from the bed, far enough so that a runner of bermuda will not invade the pipe. Of course the pipe will have to be sealed where it exists the barrier as well. When dealing with this type of system the constant rinsing of your soil by the irrigation/drainage action will have a tendency to leach out nutrients over time. Keep this in mind so as you amend your soil to a nice rich nutrient based growing medium suitable to the type of plants you are growing you are able to replace leached out nutrients. As with all gardening (and everything else in life) there will be a long period of trial and error. Good luck!
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    Re: Soil Amendment

    Sun, April 5, 2009 - 8:11 PM
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    Tue, April 7, 2009 - 8:43 AM
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    • Re: Soil Amendment

      Tue, April 7, 2009 - 9:08 AM
      Yikes EM, it's one thing to suggest the product once that you're here to market, it's another to just keep posting adverts for the product you're pimping in the thread!

      When you first posted here I was very interested in soil remediation and detoxification using plants because I'd heard about Starhawk and others using plants to detoxify and clean up New Orleans and elsewhere. There was no commercial aspect to it, it was much more tied into guerrilla gardening and social activism around nature. Now, I don't take issue with someone making money promoting the idea or products based on the idea - if they're acting ethically (I have no idea about your operation either way and I'm certainly not accusing you of running or promoting an unethical business!). I just take issue with this tribe being overrun by Registered brand names, trademarks and marketing propaganda - particularly since this is the kind of commercialized proprietary ownership mentality that is so much a part of business as usual for the Monsantos and the corporate food and agriculture's way of seeing the world. It just seems kind of contradictory to the whole DIY ethic that I associate with this tribe (but perhaps I'm just projecting onto the tribe, other active members may feel differently and may very much enjoy what I experience as visual and mental pollution so I'm certainly not trying to speak for everyone here).

      All to say, it would be nice if you participated here as a person and not simply a marketer. Or would you consider that a waste of your personal time?
      • Re: Soil Amendment

        Tue, April 7, 2009 - 9:49 AM
        I agree. This not a commercial site and I didn't post looking for advertisements. So far I haven't recieved any advice other than the one about how its impossible to fight bermuda grass and how I have to install super duper plastic and drainage pipes if I ever hope to have a garden, which was not what I was asking and isn't particularly helpful.

        I was hoping for some advice on how to beef up topsoil and which minerals or other supplements I should add. Guess I'll just go down to the garden center and let them sell me whatever amendments they have.
        • Re: Soil Amendment

          Tue, April 7, 2009 - 10:00 AM
          I think your ideas are fine as to soil amendments. Sounds great in fact. I would only add a little azomite to be sure you got the trace minerals covered.
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            Re: Soil Amendment

            Wed, April 8, 2009 - 11:02 AM
            No sweat on the trace minerals because EM is brewed with organic unsulphered molasses with over 40 kinds of trace minerals unlocked with EM live active cultures. I think EM food Grade is the best choice because one can DRINK the same brew as the garden or compost and EARTH...........Now GROW as 1
            • Re: Soil Amendment

              Wed, April 8, 2009 - 11:48 AM
              The EM is very interesting to me, and i think i am going to try getting some and making the bokashi. It seems to me that the only difference in the food grade is that it is packaged and produced in cleaner place and all. That the microbe blend is the same. Yes?

              I would still add some azomite. I think it would be a question of quantity as i would not think you would be getting much of the molasses into the bed on a weight basis. The microbes leverage themcellves by reproducing, but with the minerals and micronutrients there is only what is available in the primary application.

              www.groworganic.com/item_F04...ized.html

              But i don't know how available this is in most neighborhoods. I can get it locally here, and shipping to NY would be high. Here is where i get it from locally and they ship and are east coast., perhaps cheaper. They also sell a 3# bag.
              www.7springsfarm.com/catalog...#SoilAme
        • Re: Soil Amendment

          Tue, April 7, 2009 - 10:35 AM
          yadda - Sorry I couldn't be more helpful regarding soil amendment! I've read up on soil remediation a bit but I don't feel knowledgeable enough to hand out advice. (And I assume others can google as well as I can ;-)

          I'd hoped that the person promoting soil remediation would discuss it in a bit more of a DIY or just generally informative manner since they've been posting here about their product for a while now.
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    Re: Soil Amendment

    Tue, April 7, 2009 - 2:26 PM
    Forgiveness please!..... I only wish to profit by helping to create a sustainable world. The EM in the post is from the original company(non-profit) and I have no ties . My EM comes from SCDWORLD.NET .........EM has helped the world and I just think that you might want to learn more on This Earth Saving Revolution. EM AMERICA.COM (not a dime goes to EM of California) I get paid by the many prayers of those that follow the EM trail . EM of California is a small family run EM Retail shop in the Napa Valley.
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      Tue, April 7, 2009 - 4:40 PM
      I'd like more info on the EM too. I'm very interested, but it feels kinda commercial and proprietary and i suspect there is some way to buy the original starter and then keep that culture going and make the inoculated wheat bran and more starter from that. I want to know how to do that. I'd like to know more about the ceramic bead thing too, and the use of ceramic powder.

      Here is a video on making more bakashi bran mix from the starter:

      www.youtube.com/watch
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        Re: Soil Amendment

        Tue, April 7, 2009 - 6:36 PM
        Thats right once you have the mother culture you can brew it and share with anyone you like. (1 quart makes 5 gallons) My resource page (emofcalifornia.com) has great downloads and videos on EM. I give EM support and education to anyone ,Biz,or group no matter where your EM comes from.(707 224 4754 lets talk bioceramics)
        • Re: Soil Amendment

          Wed, April 8, 2009 - 10:29 AM
          My topsoil arrived and boy is it lovely. Dark and soft, with just enough grit to drain but a little bit of clay in it too. Is it normal to get excited about dirt? This soil is way better than what I've been gardening in here in Swamp-East Missouri.
          I dug down about 3 inches to "sink" the beds a little, rolled out the super duper weed barrier and then spent about 2 hours putting together my cedar boards and filling the bed.

          It makes me happy.

          Taking a little break and then I hope to get one more bed in today 'cause tomorrow I'll probably be too sore to move. LOL.
          • Re: Soil Amendment

            Wed, April 8, 2009 - 11:26 AM
            Excited about dirt? Maybe not so normal... Excited by rich, dark, pungent topsoil fecund with potential life? Who wouldn't be?!? ;-) Seriously, sounds like you've got good reason to be happy with your dirt.

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