Bone Meal substitute?

topic posted Tue, November 20, 2007 - 1:47 PM by  maria pureza
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I am curious if anyone knows a good substitute for bone meal/phosphorous source. My garden clearly needs phosphorous, but I hesitate to buy a big sack because:

1. I imagine it's a by-product of the meat-processing industry, and I'd rather not give them a dime!

and,
2. I can foresee a time when it won't be readily available (breakdown of economy/transportation systems- you know, the whole great depression/peak oil/mad-max thing).

Can I make it myself? We would definitely have enough bones if we saved them up. How would I go about steaming/grinding them?

Are there plants that are phosphorus accumulators?

And lastly, what is the deal with guano? How can the same stuff be either high N or high P? If I harvest it myself, what is it??

Many many thanks!
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maria pureza
California
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  • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

    Tue, November 20, 2007 - 2:20 PM
    Have you tried worm castings or worm tea? It does contain phosphorous, it's easy to make at home, and you can buy it easily too. I don't know if it's exactly what your garden needs, but it works as a great fertilizer in mine.
    • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

      Tue, November 20, 2007 - 2:43 PM
      That's a really good idea, thank you. Is it necessary for the worm bin to be inside? We have a teeny tiny house that's pretty much at capacity! Can I put it outside if I insulate it with something (straw bales? old camping pads?)? We live in the Sierra foothills and it's definitely getting below the optimum 55-75 degree range at night.

      rrr... engineering problems. not my strong suit!
  • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

    Tue, November 20, 2007 - 5:42 PM
    Wood fires ash.
    • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

      Tue, November 20, 2007 - 6:04 PM
      guano comes from bats if you build a bat nest and put a box under it you can collect it
      bone meal and blood meal are cattle by products but they are made at slaughter houses so if you don't
      like all the shipping go visit you local slaughter house and get some
      you may want to get some bird crap it works great just let it set for a month or two in a open 5 gallon bucket to let it cool down
      or put in your compost bin for a while it will help with slow winter compost because it high in nitrogen
      most chicken ranches will give it to you for free
      wood as works well you just have to watch the ph
      hope this helps
      • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

        Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:09 PM
        Ha ha, I'll just head on over to my friendly local slaughterhouse with a couple buckets :) ...ewww. My problem with the meat industry isn't really with the shipping cost really. More like the ethical aspects of it. Not a group of people I want to give my money to! Besides, the point is to get beyond money, isn't it?

        Ok, having said that, (sorry!) thank you for that link, it's super informative. I had thought that wood ashes only supplied K, nice to know they're 2%P also. We're definitely doing the chicken thing, I don't think the compost would do anything at all without that poop. (stupid...pine...trees...turpentining... my... compost!)

        My question about guano is that the commercial stuff you can either buy high-N guano or high-P guano. I was wondering if this is the same stuff, just processed differently, or from two different types of bats? I guess really it doesn't matter- if the shit falls in your garden, dig it in! Or let it layer, whatever :)
  • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

    Tue, November 20, 2007 - 6:10 PM
    attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/...lamend.html
    here is some good alt.
    hope this helps
    • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

      Tue, November 20, 2007 - 10:13 PM
      • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

        Mon, November 26, 2007 - 9:21 PM
        Have you tried soft rock phosphate?
        • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

          Tue, November 27, 2007 - 9:22 AM
          I haven't tried it... not sure which is more evil: the mining industry or the meat industry...:) Plus I believe it comes from Florida. I guess I'm really looking for a local product or something I can make myself. We definitely eat a lot of trout, deer, the occasional rooster, and most of the bones just end up in the trash (with the occasional doggie treat). I don't want to attract the critters to the compost, but I would like to send one less thing off to the dump, and add one more tool to the self-sufficiency arsenal. I was thinking of saving the little bones and making like a big molcajete and grinding them up in that (inspired by all the Native grinding rocks round here), and maybe sending the big deer bones through the chipper! Not too sure about that... but anyway, the commercial stuff is steamed, wondering if boiling or roasting or burning would work as well? I bet the neighbors would love to smell a pile of burning bones!

          "The artist must retain his swagger. He must be intoxicated by ritual as well as result..."
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            Tue, November 27, 2007 - 4:15 PM
            this may be the answer bat guano is high in n and bird guano is high in p (sea birds)
            • Re: Bone Meal substitute?

              Tue, November 27, 2007 - 4:21 PM
              taken from
              www.suffolk.lib.ny.us/librari...r3-4.htm
              To Make Bone Compost
              One who can scrape together several barrel fulls of old bones on his farm can convert them into valuable fertilizer. In order to do this he must decompose the bones. This may be done in several ways. Perhaps the simplest, most effective and most economical way is as follows.

              Place the bones in a wooden tank or hogshead, packing them with unleached wood ashes. Supply enough water to keep both bones and ashes thoroughly moistened, and in several months the bones will be so softened that they may be pulverized by merely shoveling them over and sifting them. With the bones and the ashes both on the farm, the farmer may with this simple method, and with no outlay of money, produce a considerable quantity of the very best fertilizer for some lines of vegetables.

              Where one wishes to hasten the process, he can use caustic lime instead of the wood ashes. This method means the outlay of some money, and the caustic lime is not easily obtained in remote places.

              A third method is to use caustic potash instead of the ashes. Like the lime, this costs something. If the caustic potash can be dissolved and heated, and poured while hot over the bones, at the rate of one part of potash by weight to four parts of bone, it will decompose the bone so that it will be ready to use in several weeks.

              If the farmer has several wagon loads of bone on his farm, the result of an accumulation of a year or more, he may not be able to handle it in wooden vessels. In that case he can dig a trench in compact soil, and put the bones in them in bulk to be treated with the ashes, the caustic lime or the caustic potash. The wood ashes will make nearly as valuable a compost with the bone as either of the other two substances named. The farmer can take time to use the ashes. Knowing when he wishes to use it, he can begin three months before that time to use the ashes method. For example, if he wishes to use a bone compost next May, he can collect the bones from now until next December, and in that month he can begin the ashes method. In April he will have the bones decayed so that he can fine them thoroughly, and in May they will be in proper shape to apply to the soil.

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