seeds of change

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have to say i really really like this company.
they almost always send you a free pack of seeds, and i guess they keep record, they always send what i will use and love. have never had a problem. love it.
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  • Re: seeds of change

    Thu, January 24, 2008 - 3:47 PM
    Just so you are aware of where your money is going, Seeds of Change is owned by M&M Mars. There are lots of small seed companies out there, some listed in this thread.....
    greenthumbs.tribe.net/thread/...a8f2dfa8

    Here is a link to Seeds of Change info.....
    forums.organicgardening.com/eve/...94842

    I first came across this information here, which shows the corporate structure of the organic food industry.....
    www.organicconsumers.org/article...1848.cfm
    • Re: seeds of change

      Fri, January 25, 2008 - 10:36 AM
      yup thats right... but they do nice soup?

      support your organic and local seed swap scheme... if you have one!
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        Re: seeds of change

        Fri, January 25, 2008 - 1:10 PM
        right, maybe i need to start one.
        it is good to know where you money goes....but when you find consistency with quality.....
        • Re: seeds of change

          Fri, January 25, 2008 - 4:19 PM
          Hehe yeah, but you'd think they'd be able to send you the chocolate treat of your choice as well! :)
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            Re: seeds of change

            Fri, January 25, 2008 - 8:07 PM
            but have you seen some of the gardens and growers that produce for them?! some beautiful people, and whoa, what a f-ing deal ... using your land growing one crop to perfection or a few heirloom varieties....i would aspire to that job if i had a little more land....
            oh, and dibs on the m and m's! :)
    • Re: seeds of change

      Wed, January 30, 2008 - 5:36 PM
      that corporate structure was very interesting..but didn't seem to leave anyone out of the loop that i could see. so basically if it aint grown by yourself or a local farmer you know, what company is left?
      i do try to pay attention to whom gets my hard earned money too, so thanks for the link.
    • Re: seeds of change

      Mon, February 11, 2008 - 9:02 AM
      wow! Great chart "Walking" Thank you for the links and knowledge. I Hope everyone is familiar with The Seed Savers Exchange in Decorah Iowa. www.seedsavers.org They are a heirloom seed bank and real as Earth about organic heirloom gardening. Thanks
  • Re: seeds of change

    Mon, February 11, 2008 - 5:47 AM
    Seeds of Change is wholly owned by the M&M/Mars Corporation. Yep, Seeds of Change, a company formed to “preserve and spread a diversity of organic seeds through the gritty, caring hands of backyard gardeners,” is now owned by an $18 billion candy company. The strangest part of the story is what Seeds of Change Vice President Steve French had to say about it at the time: “I don't think there are any real differences between Seeds of Change and Mars.... whether it's a Mars product or it's a Seeds of Change product, the product benefits are very, very similar if we're talking about nutrition here.”

    That creeps me out. They have some neat varieties, and the idea behind the company is (or was) great. I supported them a lot when they first started out. For now, I don't like to support them.

    Don't know where you live, but in the Northeast, we have an excellent resource in Johnny's.
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      Re: seeds of change

      Mon, February 11, 2008 - 10:39 AM
      Don't be fooled Johnny's gets a lot of there seeds from Monsanto owned companies and Seimens (big GMO type company)

      I buy from them...but try groworganic.com that is Peaceful Valley in California...more affordable than Johnny's , all organic, and they offer Turtle Island Biodynamic seeds,(as well as M&M Mars seeds)...

      ~SeedPlanter
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    Re: seeds of change

    Mon, February 11, 2008 - 11:36 AM
    here is the "seed companies" thread in this tribe from last year. many, many companies are listed, big ones and little ones.

    i posted in this previous thread a link to an article i wrote on organic seed cultivation, including a seed resource directory

    greenthumbs.tribe.net/thread/...a8f2dfa8
    • Re: seeds of change

      Tue, February 12, 2008 - 5:54 PM
      You're aware of the military industrial complex, what about the "industrial seed complex"? Here is a brief explanation about how Fedco seeds is dealing with a huge buy out in the seed business.

      www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm
      • Re: seeds of change

        Wed, February 13, 2008 - 2:42 AM
        I've been reading about the consolidation of seed companies for decades, and during that time, the seed choices available to me have doubled, tripled, or more.........more i reckon, it really is astounding. Most of ya'll would be shocked at how few choices were available to gardeners in the early 70's. I think there is both a trend for companies to consolidate, and a much stronger trend of new people getting into the seed business and lots and lots of amateurs cooperating and learning how to breed and save seeds.

        I like the chart of who owns what in the health food industry. I looked up the mars co. that bought Seeds of Change. I really don't find this all that troubling. They make a lot of candy bars, and uncle ben's rice and wanted to diversify into something they though was healthier..........in case there is a mass awakening about how skittles are not good for you or something, we can only hope. Anyway, this is quite different , imo, from being purchased by monsanto, as mars is not likely to interfere with the running of the seed business.

        I like to patronize small companies, but Seeds of Change offers some varieties not available elsewhere, to my knowledge, and i see no reason to boycott them just because mars owns them. Not like mars is a big player in the war machine.
        • Re: seeds of change

          Sun, February 17, 2008 - 2:45 PM
          Just about every purchase we make is supporting some multinational company. Unless we make the practically impossible decision to drastically alter our lifestyle, stop traveling, never buy from a grocery store, never go to a restaurant, grow all our own food, find or make everything we need to survive then somewhere along the line we are supporting a company which may have practices which we disagree with. This is what comes with living in a global consumer society such as exists in North America. I would argue that we should pick our battles carefully. Why boycott a seed company that has good environmental practices, fosters good relationships with both its customers and its growers, and produces quality products? If you look around there are very few organic seed companies out there, we do not need fewer of them. I definitely advocate supporting local and regional seed producers but sometimes they cannot offer the variety or the quality that a company like Seeds of Change can. Seeds of Change is not a huge money maker for Mars/M&M, in fact they probably operate at a loss, successfully running a seed company, especially an organic vegetable seed company is very difficult. I think you can rest assured that the money you spend at Seeds of Change is not helping a candy company to pollute the world.
          • Re: seeds of change

            Mon, February 18, 2008 - 8:33 PM
            It's simply misleading to customers that there is no mention of M&M Mars on either of the Seeds of Change websites (not sure about the seed packets). They market the idea that it's a small company, when it's not. It's great that some people still choose to support them when they know a global candy corporation owns Seeds of Change. It's an informed decision, and we do need to choose our battles. But even if they are not into cross marketing organic carrots with M&M's, at least be up front about ownership.
            • Re: seeds of change

              Tue, February 19, 2008 - 5:48 AM
              Our local seed company is really great... High Mowing , of Wolcott Vermont
              • Re: seeds of change

                Tue, February 19, 2008 - 6:06 AM
                High Mowing does look good. You are lucky to have it local. Thanks for turning us on to it.
                www.highmowingseeds.com/


                I am somewhat concerned about the possibility of genetically modified skittle bushes coming out of this. I think this is another plan of those pesky planetary elites.............damn them.
                • Re: seeds of change

                  Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:55 PM
                  If you like greens, try wild garden seeds

                  www.wildgardenseed.com/

                  A very nice selection.
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                    Re: seeds of change

                    Tue, March 11, 2008 - 12:50 PM
                    I am of course biased, since I work here, but... maybe biased in a good way. I am really picky about where and who I work for.

                    I work for Peaceful Valley, at www.GrowOrganic.com

                    They supply organic seeds and are owned locally. We distribute nationally. We have been around dedicated to organic farming since 1976!!!

                    They are a good company, with good people. Check it out if you haven't heard of them.
                    • Re: Peaceful Valley

                      Tue, March 11, 2008 - 1:15 PM
                      I did market gardening for many years, and was an early enthusiast of Peaceful Valley. I used them for many years, lots of orders, and never a problem. Great folks! Awesome catalog with many items i couldn't find elsewhere. . The innovations for organic growers that they made available at reasonable cost has made a tremendous difference to me. I think they have been very influential on the course of organic growing in america. They changed the way i farmed for the better, i know that. Definitely check them out!
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        Re: seeds of change- Fedco rocks!

        Mon, March 3, 2008 - 12:22 AM
        Fedco rocks! My all around favorite seed company. Cheap, reliable, entertaining plain newsprint catalog, supportive of organic agriculture, good selection, farmer cooperative- they have their heads in the right place. Seeds of Change is a lie and if the medium is the message, those shiny and very expensive seed packets are sending the wrong one. Try Fedco.
  • Re: seeds of change

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 10:06 AM
    but...I like peanut M&Ms... and Mars bars. oh the nougaty goodness!
    • Re: seeds of change

      Wed, February 20, 2008 - 8:24 AM
      Just imagine what the flowers would be like on a skittle bush. I'd plant one in my garden! Oh, but when they pollinate the apples......
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        Re: seeds of change

        Wed, February 20, 2008 - 2:32 PM
        my favorite!
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          Re: seeds of change

          Wed, February 20, 2008 - 6:13 PM
          Did you see the NEW plastic packaging that Seeds of Change has out this year? And on the bottom there is a list of justifications for why this new "recyclable" plastic seed packet is better.....

          Personally I am disappointed...I always compost my seed packs...guess I will not be buying any S.O.C. seeds this year...


          ~SeedPlanter
          • Re: seeds of change

            Wed, February 20, 2008 - 9:20 PM
            Plastic seed packets? Why do they say that is better? I thought paper packets help reduce moisture; wouldn't enclosed plastic create condensation. Plastic??
            • Re: seeds of change

              Thu, February 21, 2008 - 2:19 AM
              I think plastic would keep them drier. I sure use a ziplock instead of a paper bag when choosing something to keep seeds in mycellf.
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                Re: seeds of change

                Thu, February 21, 2008 - 9:03 AM
                i agree with them to an extent, either way is fine for me...the forestry peps do their job to keep the trees growing...whether it really uses less energy?....i save my own seed and am loving the reusable packaging, others can recycle, same as composting....i have plenty of paper to do that job....
  • Re: seeds of change

    Thu, April 9, 2009 - 8:04 AM
    i came across this old post and wanted to share some more information that influences my buying decisions. Mars tests on animals to support its "healthy chocolate" marketing. ugh, not worth my chocolate fix, and i let them know i won't buy their products till they change their practices.
    source: www.confectionerynews.com/The-B...esting
    PETA has more info as well.

    this is frustrating, as i own a small health food store. but STRONGLY disagree with the idea that u can't win, so buy whatever. what a cop-out. i asked a Tom's of Maine rep once, why'd they start making toothpaste with fluoride in it, and she admitted they succumbed to consumer demand. unfortunately most consumers spend too much time being marketed to and not enough educating themselves...it takes effort, but there are plenty of passionate, independent, eco-ethical businesses out there, i would say even proliferating because of the ongoing capitalistic corporatization, start locally!

    i recomend High Mowing Seeds and Fedco. look for plants grown in a like climate/ zone.
    Barbara Kingsolver covered the seed situation very well in "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle" here's some info from her website:

    "Support Your Local Seed Company
    "As we wait out winter, sustaining ourselves on seed catalogs and ridiculous ambitions for this year’s garden (it will of course be better than ever), we’re grateful to the seed suppliers that keep our dreams and germplasm alive. At the top of our list is Seed Savers Exchange (Decorah, Iowa, seedsavers.org), for its spectacular catalog and this group’s devotion to collecting and saving heirloom vegetables. We also order from companies in our region—Southern Exposure Seed Exchange (Mineral, Va., southernexposure.com) and The Cook’s Garden (Warminster, Pa., cooksgarden.com), to name two—because what grows well for them usually works for us. Other favorites include Fedco, John Scheepers, Peaceful Valley, Seeds of Change, Johnny’s, Territorial, Nichols, and Stokes. The list is long, the offerings are beautiful, and the choices remain reassuringly diverse.
    In Animal, Vegetable, Miracle, we discussed the world’s shrinking seed banks and how agribusiness giants are promoting that trend: patenting germplasm, removing varieties from the market, buying out smaller companies. We warned home gardeners that when they place their orders from many small seed houses (including some of those named above), they rarely suspect “they’re likely buying from Monsanto.” A gaggle of upset readers mistakenly understood this to mean those companies had been bought out. Pardon us for being unclear: small seed companies often act as distributors for other growers, rather than producing all their own seeds in-house. Some vegetable varieties (including many garden standards) may now be procured only from the corporations that own the patents. Thus, a seed order placed at Johnny’s or Territorial, Nichols or Stokes (or, just about anywhere else) will likely be filled with seeds grown by several different producers, possibly including Monsanto.
    Some small houses, notably Fedco, have taken a firm stand against using Monsanto seeds, even though this meant dropping certain popular varieties from the catalog. Others are trying to fill the gaps by producing more of their own seed. If you absolutely don’t want anything from Monsanto, call your seed suppliers and ask about their sources. They’ll probably be happy to know you care. Seed-savers hold our future food in their hands."

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