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I got that article through the Organic Consumers Association website. And if that's how they do business, I don't I trust them for anything else. Not that it ever made sense to begin with, large corporation like Stop & Shop actually caring...or finding a vast number of organic farms to supply them with low cost organics on most aisles of all their stores.... I dunno, i don't like bearing bad news but this was too much for me.
Their page on the stop and shop (aka giant food) web site :
www.giantfood.com/our_store.../index.htm
Remember, this stuff is labeled "USDA organic" don't trust the label, and remember the revolving door principle: People who regulate, are the people being regulated... which is pretty well documented now days in many industries. Grow Your Own! and make sure those seeds can breed more seeds at the end of your season!
I got that article through the Organic Consumers Association website. And if that's how they do business, I don't I trust them for anything else. Not that it ever made sense to begin with, large corporation like Stop & Shop actually caring...or finding a vast number of organic farms to supply them with low cost organics on most aisles of all their stores.... I dunno, i don't like bearing bad news but this was too much for me.
Their page on the stop and shop (aka giant food) web site :
www.giantfood.com/our_store.../index.htm
Remember, this stuff is labeled "USDA organic" don't trust the label, and remember the revolving door principle: People who regulate, are the people being regulated... which is pretty well documented now days in many industries. Grow Your Own! and make sure those seeds can breed more seeds at the end of your season!
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 9:25 AMthe state of governance technology has not evolved with the advances made by industries and corporations. we need to set up civil service academies that train civil servants, regulators and administrators, funded by a special tax on corporations.
the government is dependent upon people from the industry because there is no way for the regulators or program adminstrators to gain that knowledge otherwise. .
I favor a variety of socialism that is called democratic structuralism and here's an example of how it could work.
we have too few doctors and med students have to take on huge debt in order to go through school.
we should make it easy for students not hard by subsidizing their studies. . .however, graduating students should serve for two to three years in a post, just like in the military does with ROTC scholarships at the beginning of their career, as their career advances they should be utilized as public health educators, inspectors, etc.
This would be in accordance with a single payer system.
Every industry can be structured to work for the public good in this fashion. Where we have critical needs, such as shifting from chemical/industrial agriculture models to organic sustainable models, we set up the education system, the support system and the regulatory system to make steady advances. . .
instead of the haphazard way we stumble into ruin as we do now, allowing the profiteers to do their damage and we pay the bill and get the pain. .
But this sort of conversion would take a lot of effort by citizens to move to, and Americans are not that sort of people.
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 9:26 AMapart from issues relating to expertise and funding, I am not ignoring the factor of corporations buying politicians their jobs.
nothing is going to happen until it is illegal to receive campaign dollars from private corporations. . -
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 9:43 AMUSDA organic can be trusted for the most part, and there are people working to make it better. That label can mean something important.
Please visit The Cornucopia Institute's website: www.cornucopia.org.
They work to fight organic policies that are unfair to small farmers, they keep an eye out for and turn-in (so to speak) those that are abusing the organic label and not having organic integrity. They also do studies on certified organic brands and have scorecards posted rating each organic brand (only dairy and soy so far) so consumers can know who to trust.
It's very important if we want our system to work eventually, to not avoid USDA organic products just be informed and involved.
THANK YOU
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Mon, October 12, 2009 - 9:57 AMwisdom Lynn. . .the agency is supposed to be working for us. . -
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 4:04 AMthe organic industry has now been DESTROYED in america
it is almost meaningless
find a local grower and GO THERE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF
greenhouse growers too
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 6:56 AMwe need to break the back of the petrochemical industry it is breaking our world.
it make take sending the 2nd armored division to surround the Monsanto headquarters, then sending them to Gitmo. . -
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Tue, October 13, 2009 - 8:47 AMhaha bullshit that the usda can be trusted -- that's funny considering Obama freaking HIRED Monsanto people to represent the usda, both globally and nationally:
Islam A. Siddiqui as Chief Agricultural Negotiator, Office of the U.S. Trade Representative
Roger Beachy, long-time president of the Danforth Plant Science Center (aka monsanto's research facility), as chief of the USDA’s newly created National Institute of Food and Agriculture (NIFA)
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 9:11 AMLynn - Unfortunately the corporate food industry has weakened USDA organic regulations to the point where they're essentially meaningless - which is why the work done by organizations like the Cornucopia Institute becomes so important. All in all, it makes the most sense to actually be supporting local organic farmers directly and/or growing our own. Of course, that's not always entirely possible so it's good to know which companies are ethical and which ones aren't but clearly one can't simply trust a USDA label (which also indicates nothing in regard to worker conditions and fair trade). The reality is, especially when we're talking soy, that a lot of "organic" produce is grown in China and other countries where it's impossible to know if organic really means organic. If USDA regulators were actually doing the job of regulating corporations rather than facilitating marketing ploys and weakening standards then the Cornucopia Institutes work wouldn't be so vitally important. Keep up the good work! -
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 5:55 AMI'm all for breaking the back of the petrochemical industry. Using plant based laundry soap is one way, working from home is another. I also grow and preserve everything I possibly can and I buy handmade goats milk soap instead of the junk they have in the stores. As time goes on I buy less and less which is good for me both physically and spiritually.
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 12:39 AMDemocratic structuralism sounds sensible, unfortunately...we don't live in a world of sensibility... lol. But seriously that sounds pretty cool and is right down my ally headed toward equilibrium and sustainable cultures. Where did you hear about it? Any good videos or organizations to look into?
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Fri, October 16, 2009 - 7:46 PMMaybe the answer is puting faith in more locally active, non-governmental organizations. In Oregon there is Oregon Tilth certification, which follows strict organic, as well as sustainability guidlines for certifying small farms. They put out a fabulous magazine, and are very involved in getting people to buy locally produced produce, as well as grow their own. More organizations like this would definitely be a good thing. -
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Sat, October 17, 2009 - 4:49 AMwashington state has a tilth program.,
it has a lot of educational programs and seminars-and newsletter-great stuff
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 12:52 AMI agree Linsey, I could wrap my stomach around the idea of more local food just tastes so much better.. whether it's plant or animal.
Oregon is great! I always hear about you guys doing something logical to better the world around you. I am over on the East Coast surrounded by the wearily misinformed. Truth shines a pretty bright light and everyones seen it, but it's easy to be distracted by the disco show someones trying to put on for us- ...I'm a wallflower -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:00 AMjivatma - It's about making things happen where we are and participating in what's already been started up, we can't wait for other people to take action...someone has to go first :-) I'm East Coast (Quebec, Canada) and we've got lots of interesting initiatives that more and more people are engaging with (a rooftop garden project managed by a non-profit in conjunction with one of the universities, lots of CSAs, more interest in growing one's own food, bike activism, etc). Look into what universities are doing where you live (if it's in an urban environment) - I know the university culture in Portland has greatly contributed to it being a greener city and the same is true where I live. There's always something we can do to engage locally, even if it's just something small to begin with. The truth is, change starts at home and with each of us :-) -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:03 PMplease do not eat the animal
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 3:57 AMthe change does start where your at--we are the change--
you take a seed--plant it.,water with love.,and watch it grow--
i once took a class in plant awareness.,and part of the course-the fun part for me was-
look at a plant at random-when you feel it talk to you
this works best in a natural setting~
stop and study that plant
whats its character
what does it grow in-where
do you relate it to its surroundings--
is it sick-healthy--and why.,
any pest on it
now by this time you should be close to feeling the plants perspective--
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 4:00 AMoh this is funny--i meant peas on earth<>:) -
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 8:35 AMdemocratic structuralism is a philosophical concept that holds that the citizens of a society are the owners of the society, but usually they give away their power. . .but they can assert themselves once aware and take it back.
a democracy means of the people, by the people and for the people. . .and the people have the right to structure society for democracy. . .
this is like building a house. . .there are rules that emphasize the tension of opposites so that nothing is dominant but everything works in concert for the good of the whole.
a commonly known example of democratic structuralism, although limited to one aspect of governance is the system of checks and balances.. .however, the hole in the roof is private money in politics and the rain just comes in and wrecks the foundation of society.
citizens need to band together in non-electoral political groups and demand that the laws that structure our society are changed so that we have a genuine democracy, not the rule by the elite that we have. .
there are no websites as of yet. . .but there are a handful of people in the US who now support this concept. like all nascent political movements it will grow slowly. .
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Re: natures promise broke it's promise
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 8:39 AMtension of opposites. . .this may not be clear. . .do you know that there are load bearing walls, a strong foundation and a roof with rafters.
the shape of the rafters is often based on triangles, which are the strongest geometric shapes there are. . .tetrahedrons actually, which are based on triangles. . These triangles push against each other and hold each other together nicely.
maybe you have heard of Fibonacci??
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number
That spiral that lies within many forms in nature is dominant for a reason. The same concept can be applied to social organization, to provide the organization with balance and strength.
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